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[personal profile] sdi2024-03-14 07:37 am

Recommendations for Studying the Runes?

My wife has been working with Tarot for years, but lately she's been finding that it just doesn't work for her any more—the readings are flaky and she can't feel a connection to it anymore. Casting about for a replacement, she's felt drawn to the runes. I was wondering if any of the heathens here could recommend a book for her to study? In case it helps, she is of a practical (rather than philosophical) disposition and meshes well with plant lore (she is an herbalist).

(Incidentally, this has me curious about the well-being of the occult community generally, since a divinatory apparatus failing sounds, well, ominous. Has anybody else experienced similar? Her intuition is generally good and if the runes work well, then perhaps heathenism is healthier than most? For whatever it's worth, I use geomancy and have had no issues whatsoever.)

Alchemy studies

 I have been studying some alchemy texts and have been posting my meditations on a little blog.  The first several posts don't have much to do with polytheism, but I am getting to the point now that Herakles is figuring prominently.  (And after Herakles comes Psyche!).  If you are interested, https://druidalchemist.com/.  

A Theogony of Numbers

 I have been working with The Theology of Arithmetic and A Study of Numbers.  If you are interested, it is posted here:  https://randomactsofkarmasc.dreamwidth.org/3125.html.
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[personal profile] hwistle2023-05-10 05:53 pm
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Wodinic Wednesdays

This might be of interest to the Heathens here... Galina Kraskowa is doing the equivalent to JMG's Magic Monday... on Wednesdays

https://krasskova.wordpress.com/2023/05/10/wodinic-wednesday-qa/
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[personal profile] hwistle2023-02-10 10:33 am

Pagans/Polytheists and children

Hi folks!

As part of the Pagan Network in the Scottish Government I'm contributing to an interfaith event next week where representatives of different faith groups talk about the role of children in their faith. Since I have no children, I wonder if some among you will be willing to share some thoughts about raising children in a Polytheist/Pagan environment. As a clarification, in the UK we use the term Pagan in a wider sense that the American Neopagan, and so it includes not only Wicca or Druidry but also Heathenry or Hellenismos.

Thanks all!

Manuel
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[personal profile] jprussell2022-07-24 11:23 pm

Prayer Resources Roundup

On last week's Magic Monday, I asked for resources on developing prayer as a spiritual practice, and many folks were kind enough to share a wide variety of books, websites, and more. Below is a collection of what was shared, organized by topic. I hope it might be helpful if you're asking "how do I do this prayer thing, anyway?"

Polytheist Prayer & Worship Resources


I was pleasantly surprised at how helpful some of these resources were, since much of my exposure to the modern polytheist world has been filtered through authors who view prayer as "something monotheists do", and I was afraid I was going to have to entirely adapt Christian material (see below for some of that). Luckily, that attitude is less common than it once was, and is especially uncommon amongst Magic Monday regulars, so there's a lot of good stuff below!

  • JMG recommended A Book of Pagan Prayer by Ceisiwr Serith and Pagan Prayer Beads by himself and his wife. I've found both helpful for examples and general discussion, even if I haven't used many of the specific prayers included. Pagan Prayer Beads is, if anything, even more useful as an introduction to beading as a craft. Before I checked out the actual prayers included, I used it to help me make a bracelet to be used with Rune Poems for the Elder Futhark.

  • This was not actually a response to my question on Magic Monday, but reading this post by [personal profile] joshuarout is part of what led me to ask for further resources: https://joshuarout.dreamwidth.org/322.html. It's a collection of quotes by JMG on the topic of prayer, and it was helpful to get his point of view summed up in one place.

  • [personal profile] hwistle recommended Kaye Boesme's work, both her blog, https://kallisti.blog/, and a guidebook on how to worship gods from a Platonist point of view, including chapters on prayer and ritual: https://kayeofswords.github.io/soulsinnerstatues/

  • Rhydlyd recommended When a Pagan Prays: Exploring Prayer in Druidry and Beyond by Nimue Brown, but a few other commenters (Sister Crow and anonymous) said that they found it's depiction of her thinking when she was an atheist to be at least frustrating, and at most actively off-putting in its impiety, so approach with caution, I suppose. Rhydlyd also recommended Cerridwen: Celtic Goddess of Inspiration by Kristoffer Hughes. I haven't personally checked out either yet

  • Sister Crow recommended Galina Krasskova's Heathen reworking of the Rosary: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/pantheon/2010/05/retooling-the-rosary/. Krasskova's goal was to keep as much of the spirit of the Rosary as possible without actually praying to Christian figures. I have found it a useful model, but fair warning, the actual layout and presentation of this article is a bit hard to follow.

  • Ottergirl and [personal profile] neptunesdolphins both recommended Raven Kaldera's prayer beads, who can either craft them to prayers of your own creation, or provide prayers. Kaldera has some, erm, colorful beliefs and practices, and so is seen as controversial by some folks. I have found some of his co-authored books very helpful and haven't totally made up my mind on how to feel about some of the controversial stuff, but both of these commenters have found his prayer beads lovely and helpful.



Christian Prayer & Worship Resources


Though I am coming at this as a polytheist, and this group is, in fact, Sane Polytheism, for the past thousand-plus years, spirituality in the west has been Christian, so many of the resources we have to work with are as well. I also explicitly asked about the Rosary, because I've had the intuition that it's a practice worth analyzing for application in a polytheist context (for one approach, see Galina Krasskova's "Retooling the Rosary" above). What I have found helpful in reading through Christian sources is to ask a) what is common in my beliefs and theirs, and b) what is any one part of belief/prayer/practice doing functionally? For example, when praying the Rosary, you open with the Apostle's Creed. Functionally, this is a statement of core belief about how the world works and the most important religious beliefs, so if you were trying to craft a similar prayer in your own tradition, you might open with a statement about how your tradition believes the world works, or if belief is less important in your tradition, a statement of actions or intentions.

  • samchevre recommended the section from the Catechism of the Council of Trent "On Prayer":
    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_catechism_of_the_Council_of_Trent/Part_4. Having skimmed it so far, I find it a helpful and serious look at the role prayer ought to play in a normal, but pious person's life. For the Rosary specifically, samchevre recommended The Secret of the Rosary by St Louis de Montfort: https://www.ecatholic2000.com/montfort/rosary/rosary.shtml He especially recommended the Novena to Mary, Undoer of Knots, especially if combined with planetary hours, as a borderline magical/religious practice for solving problems.


  • [personal profile] emmanuelg recommended The Practice of the Presence of God which collects some of the discursive meditations of Brother Lawrence, a Christian monk who lived in the 1600's: https://d2y1pz2y630308.cloudfront.net/15471/documents/2016/10/Brother%20Lawrence-The%20Practice%20of%20the%20Presence%20of%20God.pdf. I haven't checked this one more than a skim yet, but it looks like a good example of what discursive meditations/contemplative prayers can look like.


  • [personal profile] methylethyl recommended looking into Orthodox sources for contemplative prayer, such as the "Jesus prayer," "Orthodox meditation," and "way of the pilgrim" and the book The Jesus Prayer by Frederica Matthews-Green.


  • Princess Cute Kitten pointed me to ewtn.com, the website for a global Catholic television network. I've only poked around a little bit, but it looks like they have lots of multimedia resources for things Catholic. Especially helpful if you're looking for recordings



  • Some Short Takeaways


    So, while I am still working my way through the materials above, as well as seeking help from the Gods I pray to, I thought I would highlight a few threads that many of the sources above share:

    • Prayer is about aligning yourself with the divine: From my own experience and reading these and other sources, I think that the single thing prayer is most for is to get your mind and spirit in tune with the divine. That's why there's value in at-least daily prayer, and in finding lots of opportunities to pray for other reasons (like at meals, wake up, going to bed, and so forth).

    • Prayer is a Conversation: We often think of prayer as one-way - I say a prayer to a God/Gods, but it's far more helpful when you also listen for responses. Whatever you end up doing to address the divine, make sure you're also leaving space to listen for the responses you might get.

    • Prayer Should Not Be About Getting What You Want: JMG likes to compare the "gimme, gimme" kind of prayers to treating the Gods like a vending machine. This is not such a good idea. The Gods are independent, sentient people with their own personalities, goals, and point of view, only way bigger than any one of us, so "give me a BMW" is not really a helpful way to interact. A phrase of JMG's that I've found helpful in my prayers is to add "nonetheless, your will, not mine, be done". That being said, I do currently think there is some place for asking for things in prayer - the difference is both in what you ask for and the attitude with which you do it. For me, it is helpful to ask to be more like the kind of person I'm trying to be, and to gratefully recognize what comes from the Gods by asking for it in prayer - for example, saying some kind of prayer over a meal before eating it might both offer thanks for what is there to eat and ask for the nourishment and happiness I hope the meal will bring.

    • Both Structured and Free-form Prayer are Helpful: From what I can tell so far, there are distinct benefits to both structured/formal/repetitive prayers and free-form "just talking" prayers. Composed prayers that are the same every time can be poetic, bring you back to the same thoughts and feelings every time, and are easy to make habitual. Free-form prayers, on the other hand, can be sincere, spontaneous, and responsive to what's going on in your life today.

    Greek Theogony and the Golden Ratio

    I had previously posted a metaphor to correlate The Cosmic Doctrine with the Cabala (as presented in Levi's High Magic and JMG's Paths of Wisdom), which incorporated a Greek theogony.

     

    In the last High Magic book club post, @JonGoddard commented on Kronos' scythe being sectioned by the Golden Ratio .  I have been meditating on how Kronos and the Golden Ratio are related and have updated my metaphor to incorporate some new insights.  Most of the original metaphor is unchanged (some of the diagrams on page 6 and 7 have been revised, page 20 has been added).  The new section, starting on page 37, is a metaphor describing creation through Phi (the Golden Ratio) as an aspect of force.

     

    In addition to thanking Jon Goddard for sharing his insights which prompted my series of meditations, I would also like to thank Andrew Skeen, who assisted with some illustrations for the new metaphor and recommended Agrippa as a source for my research on the Muses.

    The second edition of my metaphor can be downloaded here:  My Metaphor, 2nd ed

    As before, I don't consider this metaphor "right" or "done".  I already have some meditation themes that will result in more revisions and additions.  I attribute much of my learning and growth to JMG and his commentariat, so I am sharing this in hopes that some of you  may have time to read it and provide feedback, or share a metaphor of your own.  

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    [personal profile] capra_rex2022-06-13 01:37 pm

    Any Revival Druids out there?

    Hey everyone. As the title suggests, I’m wondering if there are any other Druids in this group, or more specifically, Druids that call upon the traditional Welsh Druid Revival deities (Hu the Mighty, Ced the Earth Mother, Hesus of the Oaks, etc). Outside JMG’s blog, there’s not too many places out here on the internet for DR practitioners to network.

    Thanks for your attention,

    Capra
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    [personal profile] jprussell2022-04-28 01:34 pm

    Getting Started With Shinto Resources

    Reason for edit: While adjusting the tags, I hit "enter", which posted before I had written most of the body of the post!
    Second Edit: tagged sources for quotes when they have a dreamwidth account.


    A few weeks ago, I asked about resources for getting started learning about Shinto on a Magic Monday post. I thought it might be helpful to gather the responses together into an easier-to-find post similar to what [personal profile] causticus did with the information on Roman Polytheism. I asked a similar question about Hinduism on the same MM, and I'll likely put together a post gathering that soon.

    It strikes me that it might be worthwhile to have a "getting started" page for as many varieties of polytheism as we can gather credible resources for. If we gather enough, we might even have a pinned or otherwise prominently linked entry that gathers links to all of these round ups of starter resources.

    For now, though, here's what the Magic Monday community was able to share on resources for learning more about Shinto, lightly edited by me to make this post more easily read and used as a reference. You can find the original comment thread here.

    Resources for Learning More About Shinto


    Core Religious Texts


    The two core Shinto texts are fairly similar in terms of "what they are" (a purportedly historical chronicle from the earliest of times to when they were written that includes mythic material), and in terms of what myths and stories are conveyed, there is overlap, but they are not identical and both have played a role in shaping current practice.
    • The Nihongi: A chronicle of early Japanese myth and ancient history.

    • The Kojiki: A chronicle of early Japanese myth and ancient history.

    [personal profile] tunesmyth shares some thoughts on the strengths and weaknesses of various translations of the two core Shinto texts:

    As far as Shinto source texts go, the two primary texts are the Kojiki and the Nihongi (aka the Nihon Shoki), which were recorded at very nearly the same time-- the general consensus is that the Kojiki came first, though there are some who disagree. Right now, due to historical reasons that were in part responsible for the split between Buddhism and Shinto in the 19th century, the Kojiki has come to predominate as far as fame with the the general public goes. Through most of Japan's history, though, it seems that the Nihongi was more considered the first place to go for the mythology, often offering multiple versions of the same mythological stories for comparison within the text itself (but missing some crucial stories that appear in the Kojiki, including one of my favorites, The Hare of Inaba).
    If one is just dipping their toes into Shinto, I strongly recommend the Heldt translation of the Kojiki, which keeps its language simple but pleasant, and is of a length that isn't too daunting. One quibble though, it has a major weakness in that all the kami and place names are translated as their literal meanings in English, rather than by the names that anybody who actually prays to these great spirits actually uses to address them with (though there is a glossary in the back). If you need to go for a free version of the Kojiki, the original Basil Hall Chamberlain version is readily available, though it suffers for many of the same problems as JMG has lamented with Waite's translation of Levi.
    The only currently extant English translation of the Nihongi, by W.G. Aston, is also a Victorian translation, but I find it quite a bit more readable than Chamberlain's Kojiki.

    Histories, Commentaries, and Explanations


    • Kami no Michi by Guji Yukitaka Yamamoto: The reflections of the former high priest of the only Shinto Grand Shrine in North America, he explains how his experiences have shaped his view of Shinto and its place in the world today. The full text is available on the Tsubaki Grand Shrine's website here.

    • Dancing With Spirits: the Festivals and Folklore of Japan by Denny Sargent: Recommended by Justin Patrick Moore, he had this to say: "Denny Sargent, aka Aion 131 is a founding member of Horus-Maat Lodge with a long background in Western magic, and he his wife lived in Japan for awhile if I recall correctly. This book, I believe, came out of that time spent there."
      And here's the blurb from the back of the book:

      Nowhere are religious traditions more uniquely tied to the historical, cultural and spiritual identity of a people then in Japan. Almost all Japanese follow one intertwined religious mixture of Shinto, Matsuri and Buddhism. This forms the basis of much of their culture. To know this is to know Japan. Dancing with Spirits is an intellectual but accessible 'travel guide' through the history and fun reality of the most important Shinto, Matsuri and Buddhist festivals of Japan. It features entertaining first-hand accounts of wild revels like Tanabata and Setsubun, but it also offers something more; the history of the these festivals and explanations of the symbolism and meaning behind them, things that even many of the Japanese revelers themselves often don't know. Other aspects of Buddhism, Matsuri and Shinto are covered within these pages as well, from a succinct history of the origins of these great traditions in Japan to chapters about specific deities and Amulets. Come and leap into the amazing world of Shinto, Matsuri and Buddhism and the 'floating world' of Japanese rituals and folklore as it is being celebrated today! Dozo!

    • The Essence of Shinto by Motoshisa Yamakage: This was recommended by [personal profile] jruss, with this comment by [personal profile] tunesmyth: "It is an excellent introduction to Shinto as a form of religious practice for the lay reader. It eloquently describes a coherent worldview of interaction with the world via a Shinto lens and I found it extremely inspirational when I was first exploring Shinto."
      Politics Warning: the author of this book has been accused of anti-semitism, and [personal profile] tunesmyth, despite the positive quote above about the book itself, had this to say about the author: "All that said, the antisemitic stuff is for real and pretty much poisons one's ability to read it in a mood of "This stuff is so good!" like I had when I first read it-- let alone recommend it to others. Nothing antisemitic shows up in "The Essence Of Shinto" itself; rather it's that he wrote a whole series of apparently strongly antisemitic screeds. To be fair I haven't gone so far as to read any; but with titles such as "Final World War: How to Counter Jewish Money" and "The Jewish Strategy for World Dominance" (volumes 1, 2, and 3) I don't really have any desire to either." Make your own decision about whether the author's views about other matters can be separated from what he wrote about Shinto.

    • Myth and Diety in Japan by Kamata Toji: recommended by [personal profile] jruss, but apparently pretty expensive.

    • Japaneseness by Yoji Yamakuse: also recommended by [personal profile] jruss, who says "it's more about the core concepts of being Japanese by going over values anyone can adopt but as Shinto is rooted in Japanese culture this can help explain things."

    • The Catalpa Bow by Carmen Blacker: recommended by [personal profile] tunesmyth, he says of this and the next entry: "They're both erudite, readable, and manage to convey a sense of the spiritual power that resides in Shinto."

    • The Fox and the Jewel by Karen Smyers: recommended by [personal profile] tunesmyth, he says of this and the entry above: "They're both erudite, readable, and manage to convey a sense of the spiritual power that resides in Shinto."

    Books Focused on Practice


    • Shinto Norito by Anne Llewellyn Evans: According to JMG, it "gives you the actual text of traditional Shinto prayers, and a robust appendix full of practical instructions."

    Websites


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    [personal profile] causticus2022-03-26 09:47 am

    Ectoplasm Gone Wild: Why Blood Sacrifice should be Avoided Today

    In the other thread I ended up penning a rather lengthily comment reply to [personal profile] boccaderlupo on the topic of Neopagan blood sacrifice, and it just occurred to me that this should be its own topic. And thus, a post!

    From all the occult reading and rumination I've done on this topic, I've come to the conclusion that ritualistic blood sacrifice is something to be explicitly AVOIDED unless the practice is part of a well-established lineage that goes back to practitioners who actually understood the occult mechanics of what they were doing. (How many Neopagans today can substantiate this type of teaching lineage?)

    Otherwise, when done today simply for the sake of pageantry aesthetics (which I suspect is the case with almost all Neopagans who attempt this), this practice will run a huge risk of inviting in unwanted spirits. Basically, spilt animal blood is etheric jet fuel to discarnate entities. Blood is the most etheric-rich physical substance and a spirit absorbing the released energy from bloodletting allows them to manifest and project into the physical world. We can use the term "ectoplasm" for the etheric appendages spirits can manifest when sufficiently-fed with this type of energy; these appendages allow them to interface with physical phenomena in a limited manner; for example, how a ghost or house spirit is able to rap on hard surfaces or knock dishes off a shelf.

    With these types of serious practice, an established orthopraxy is crucial. Of course historical polytheists usually weren't giving away free blood snacks to cruddy spirits. On the contrary, their rites were specifically designed to attract the kinds of entities that could bring benefit to their community. As an example, a sacrifice could be made to a Sylvan or Faun spirit that participates in the energy of a major god from the culture's pantheon (the major deity name would be invoked during the rite). The spirit would show up at the site of the ritual and consume the energetic food released during the sacrifice. In exchange, the spirit would repay the priest(s) by helping their village's crops grow grander and more vibrant than they would unaided; the spirits would do this by infusing extra life force (etheric energy) into the crop plants. We can see here how sacrifices were a quid-pro-quo sort of arrangement. The spirits get fed and in exchange they do whatever they can to help out the humans calling upon them. Of course, even the proper sacrificial practices can end up going septic. Priests claiming to serve their culture's proper deities can end up feeding cruddy spirits in exchange for "gifts" that help them augment their own personal power. The absolute worst example of this sort of priestly degradation is the Aztec human sacrifice mass-hysteria that led to the downfall of their civilization.

    Today, humans living in affluent, high-tech countries use industrial technology to do the things (like increase crop yields) we had to make deals with spirits in the past to do. So when some group of aesthetic reenactors sacrifice a pig, they are doing so entirely removed from any cultural context where such a practice may have been useful and just. I would ask the simple question: Just how many of these neopagan reenactors grow all their own food and do so without the aid of industrial technology? I would guess most of them procure 99%+ of their food from the local big-box supermarket like everyone else around them does.

    Indeed, these practices are not to be taken lightly! There are countless other substances besides animal blood than can and should be sacrificed to Gods, spirits, saints, angels, heroes, ancestors ect.
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    [personal profile] jprussell2022-03-22 01:06 pm
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    Favorite Resources for Practice?

    I'd like to share a few sources below that I have found helpful for shaping my individual daily and seasonal practice, and to invite anyone willing to do so to please share some of their own, ideally with a bit of commentary on what you've found helpful about them.

    Personally, I'll be focusing more on individual practice, as I feel like most flavors of polytheism these days have books or websites available explaining how to do community rituals, and by definition, if you're participating in a group ritual, the group has some kind of approach to doing it! I suppose the one thing left out here would be if you are an individual trying to establish a group, so if that's your situation, feel free to share that as well.

    The other thing I'll mention is that I have not included books whose primary value is for studying and understanding myth, or as many in my tradition like to refer to it the Lore. While fascinating and enjoyable, I feel like that's the least-transferrable kind of work, and therefore the least helpful for folks following other paths.

    Most of my sources below are Germanic-flavored, but I'll try to point out what I think is helpful about them even for other traditions.

    Northern Tradition for the Solitary Practitioner by Galina Krasskova and Raven Kaldera
    Despite the potentially depressing title, I have found this book rather helpful. It gives a number of different viewpoints of what daily Germanic polytheist practice might look like. It follows the framework from Dale Cannon's Six Ways of Being Religious (itself mostly focused on Christianity, with some inputs from Buddhism and other traditions) and gives suggestions adapted to Germanic beliefs. What I like best about this book is that it makes a strong case that "devotional" practice of various kinds is not the exclusive property of Christianity and can be usefully integrated into a polytheist worldview. Includes a lot of practical tips on setting up an altar and using prayer beads.

    Viking Poetry for Heathen Rites by Eirik Westcoat
    The specific poetry in this book is likely only going to be helpful if you worship the Germanic Gods, but if you do, wow is it helpful! Also helpful, it explains the conventions of traditional Germanic alliteration and stress, so you can compose Germanic style poetry in modern English, which I suppose might even be helpful for other pantheons. Even if this particular book doesn't do it for you, I'd say I've found it very helpful to have a ready source of calls to Gods/Goddesses and prayers to them in the form of poetry, so looking for something similar in your tradition might be helpful (like the Orphic or Homeric Hymns, if you follow a Greco-Roman tradition).

    The Druid Handbook by John Michael Greer
    This is likely familiar to most folks here, but this book gives a nice entry point to a nature-focused spirituality that is extremely flexible when it comes to the finer points of personal beliefs. For myself, I'm currently celebrating the 8-point year with the rituals given here, but with Germanic deities. See below for another work I might use for future ritual timing, but this is a great place to start if you don't have something else to follow. Oh, also has a fantastic explanation on discursive meditation.

    Pagan Prayer Beads by John Michael Greer and Clare Vaughn
    Written by JMG and his wife, I found this most helpful for the actual, physical "how to make a string of prayer beads" advice, less so for the example prayers or strings given, but maybe I ought to revisit them. Pairs especially well with sources of poems/prayers like I mentioned above (someone following a Germanic tradition might consider a string with one bead per rune and match it to the relevant Rune Poem, for example, or write your own)

    By the Sun, the Stars, and the Moon and To Hold the Holytides by Thorbeortht Ealdorblotere
    These two books kind of need to be taken together, as one discusses the calculation of holy days following what the author believes to be closest to what we can figure out about ancient Anglo-Saxon practice, and the other explains what rituals to hold on those holy days. As the title suggests, you can determine some days by the Sun, some by the Moon, and some by the Stars, and I like the attention it gives to integrating and balancing these cycles (for example, you might select a seasonal ritual date as the first full moon after the equinox). While the conclusions are likely not as relevant to most folks not interested in the Anglo-Saxons specifically, it is a nice example of a ritual calendar that isn't the Wicca-derived 8-points of the year.

    True Hearth by James Allen Chisholm
    I like that this focuses on integrating your beliefs/practices into your life and household. Includes some good advice on setting up a household altar and rituals for things like moving into a new house or naming a baby. Mostly pretty Germanic-focused, but again, some of the occasions marked might provide some ideas.

    Path to the Gods: Anglo-Saxon Paganism for Beginners by Swain Wodening
    One of many "intro to Germanic religion" books I read, this one sticks in my memory as providing a nice, flexible framework for ritual/prayer that works individually or for a group: 1) hallow a space, 2) call on/praise the God(s) to be worshipped, 3) make a toast to your ancestors with a hallowed drink, 4) share drink among those participating, 5) sprinkle some of that drink on participants, 6) give what's left of hallowed drink to the God(s) called on, 7) close hallowed space.

    The Art of Divine Meditation by Bishop Joseph Hall
    Recommended by JMG, this book is very explicitly Christian, and many of the specific recommendations for what to do or think about won't apply to many traditions, but the general approach of "how do I take meditation and find more things to do with it?" is helpful.

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    [personal profile] jprussell2022-03-12 12:04 pm

    Proto-Religious Experiences?

    For anyone willing to share, I'm curious about any "proto-religious" experiences you might have had before coming to polytheism in earnest (whatever that may mean for you). I'm going to assume that nobody in this community was raised polytheist or otherwise came to their practice in an unreflective way.

    So, what kind of experiences did y'all have before you began your practice that you think helped lead you there? For example, back when I was a Christian, I would jokingly say "if I weren't a Christian, I'd worship the Norse Gods", mostly because of my affinity with the mythology. Later, when I had become more or less materialistic and atheistic, I came to believe that maybe there was something to this mythology, prayer, and magic stuff, but it was all explainable by depth psychology. Listening to Jordan Peterson's lectures on the Book of Genesis and some of his other talks led me to see some of the value in religious stories and traditions I had dismissed. Reading JMG's World Full of Gods was the nudge that got me to experiment with taking the external reality of Gods and Goddess seriously.

    I'd be interested to hear if these kinds of "baby steps" are something others have experienced, or if I'm just a weirdo.

    Cosmic Doctrine, the Cabala, and Greek Theogony

    I have been working on a series of meditations to correlate The Cosmic Doctrine with the Cabala (as presented by Levi in High Magic and JMG in Paths of Wisdom).  As I worked with the ideas, I began to see how a theogony of the Greek pantheon could be aligned with the Cabala ("a" theogony, not "the" theogony, as I borrowed deities and myths from a variety of mythographers).

    I don't consider my metaphor to be "right" or "done"; I'm sure I'll be revising it as I learn and grow.  I attribute much of my learning and growth to JMG and his commentariat, so I am sharing this in hopes that some of you may have time to read my metaphor and provide feedback or, if you have been working on your own metaphor or Cosmic Doctrine/Cabala alignment, that you'll consider sharing yours.

    My Metaphor

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    [personal profile] causticus2022-03-08 11:36 am
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    Deity Activity, Inactivity, and Selectiveness

    From what I've read in various places and from various people, it seems that sometimes certain deities from the old pantheons tend go "inactive" for quite awhile. Though they may resurface at sometime later, perhaps under a different moniker. Also, even if they are currently-active, they might simply be very selective about whom they decide to interact with.

    1. I'm curious to know all of your experiences and knowledge on this topic.

    2. In your experience and according to information you have come across, which deities seems to be the most active today? Which ones have probably ghosted us? By that I mean according to the personal reports of practitioners. For example, I read that it's quite common for people to have experiences involving Odin and Thor, but not many for Tyr. I also hear reports of Mesopotamian Gods and Goddesses becoming "active" again, whatever that might mean.

    3. Please share whatever else you might feel is relevant to this topic.
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    [personal profile] causticus2022-02-28 11:30 am
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    Roman Cultus Resources

    There was a very informative comment thread a couple MMs ago with some links to resources for anyone wanting to engage in devotional practice for the Roman Gods. I've compiled here some key parts of the thread.

    First, from [personal profile] neptunesdolphins :

    Books:
    -The Dancing Lares and the Serpent in the Garden: Religion at the Roman Street Corner by Harriet Flower
    -An Introduction to Roman Religion by John Scheid


    And, from [personal profile] boccaderlupo :

    I would recommend Associazione Tradizionale Pietas, which is based in Rome but has various chapters around the world. They have a lot of good resources, especially in Italian (Latin speakers might be able to make use of those), including a weekly Q&A/podcast. They were recently recognized by the government and have set up the first new Tempio Giove in Rome in a good long while, as well as temples elsewhere in that country.

    https://tradizioneromana.org/


    Next, this very helpful and lengthily comment:


    1) On Roman Polytheism, I've found the essays of Horatius M. Piscinus to be a great source of obscure info, though they can be a little overwhelming and too detail heavy. Neopolytheist's blog is a great introduction for a beginner and I recommend starting there.

    For literature, Cato's On Agriculture, Varro's On the Latin Language in 25 Books, Varro's Agricultural Topics in 3 Books and Macrobius' Saturnalia will be where you want to start hunting for flecks of gold.

    And now for my personal religious views, which should be taken with a single molecule of sodium chloride and thrown out forthwith if you have a different interpretation:

    The Roman Gods are not Greek Gods, though they might be called twins or close siblings. Many gods which appear to be "imported" are in fact the Romans projecting their own gods onto cultures they admired and were probably a little jealous of, though the Romans did import many foreign gods such as Aesculapius, though there was often a distinct "this is a Greek god, so we must worship him with the Greek Rite, while this Roman god represented with a greek statue and with Greek myths grafted on is Roman, so we use the regular Roman Rites for him."

    Second, there's a lot of confusion about who the Lares are, since later Roman authors refered to multiole beings. I treat "Lares" as a catch-all term like "spirits" and use them primarily to refer to the spirits of the house (lares domestici), the spirits of the land and neighbourhood (lares compitales) and the spirits of the roads and crossroads (lares viales) and I call the spirits of my ancestors just "ancestors" instead of lares familiaris to decrease confusion. Also, while some scholars believe that every man has a guardian Genius and every woman has a guardian Juno, other scholars disagree with this interpretation and so do I, so I consider Genius to be the term for the gusrdian of every person and every piece of land (much less confusing). Your friend may find these artificial distinctions I've made useful, or not. Just remember that like the Romans saw a statue of Athena and said "Look, a statue of Minerva! Let's bring it home and build a temple to Minerva!" these are mostly my projections, influenced by my own desires and cultural artifacts, trying to make sense of a convoluted system mostly lost to time and unable to be entirely perceived by flimsy human intellects anyway.

    Here are some links to get started:

    Absolute Beginner:
    https://romanpagan.wordpress.com/household-shrine-and-ritual/

    One of the first Horatius M. Piscinus essays I read. Every essay is gold, though don't be afraid to discard specific practices that are too inconvenient (like using spring water or water gathered from rivers in the four cardinal directions).
    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religioromana/2013/05/odds-and-evens/

    Useful for invoking Janus, which is done a lot. The prayer offered is almost verbatim a section from the oldest Roman ritual invocation (fragmentary of course) still existing:
    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religioromana/2013/01/kalends-rite-for-janus/

    http://societasviaromana.net/Collegium_Religionis/contributions.php

    One more thing: stay away from Nova Roma. They started as a bunch of atheists more interested in awarding themselves fancy Roman titles and creating a "micronation" of larpers, with Roman Religion just one more part of the larp. Over time that has changed and there might be some legitimate polytheists involved, but I worry that their egregore is permanently tainted along with their reputation. Best to just avoid them altogether and skip the viscious back and forth drama.


    Finally, I've omitted recommendations for Nova Roma as a serious resource, as (per my own investigations into the matter) I agree with some of the sentiments expressed in the thread that NR are primarily LARPers, and most of them are probably atheists too. In other words, going to a group like that for advice on serious devotional practices or spiritual counsel in general, would be rather ill-conceived. It would be nearly as absurd as asking a Christian for advice on how to properly venerate Jupiter.
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    Polytheism and Fanaticism

    I'm curious how others think of the difference between inspiring devotion and straight up fanaticism in the polytheist community.  There seems to a subtle distinction between a sincere devotion and the loss of  proportion and perspective that fanaticism entails that many in the polytheist community often conflate, just as their opposite numbers in the monotheist world.  The narratives between fanatic polytheists and fanatic monotheist does differ, especially if we consider the revivalist and reconstructionist polytheisms of the the European peoples and the European diaspora.  Basically, as I see it, fanatical monotheists tend to believe that they have arrived at the truth, with implications of the sort one sees in the inquisitions.  Polytheists --- at least of the revivalist/reconstructionist traditions --- tend to have a more of an underdog approach in which there's an emphasis on valorous fighting to reestablish the faiths.  That said, historical events have demonstrated that polytheism inspired movements can have just as drastically bad outcomes, here I can't help but thing of Nicholas Goodman-Clarke's book on Ariosophy and the rise of the Nazis, although I think of this as tending towards the more occult rather than explicitly polytheist praxis.  Point being, there is recent historical evidence that fanaticism in our sorts of polytheisms can have or at the very least influence outcomes every bit as bad as monotheist fanaticism.

    That said, I do think that it's fair to say that the risks of fanaticism in polytheism are at least comparable to the risks of fanaticism in monotheism, especially when either gets involved in politics.  Here I can't help but think of Dion Fortune writing in one of her books --- Applied Magic, I think --- how those who involve themselves magically with politics tend to become fanatics.  Writ large, this would include many of the luminaries of the Nazi party, especially Himmler. Equally, it seems to me that the various Inquisitions of Christian history involved the mixing of religion and politics and created a very similar sort of outcome: from the wholesale eradication and genocide of the Cathars in the Twelfth Century and of course the horrors of the Spanish Inquisition, which mostly targeted Jews who had converted to Catholicism.

    Point being, one of the more troubling blind spots that I've seen in the modern polytheist revival is the lack of understanding that polytheists can become just as fanatical as their monotheist counterparts, and this appears to happen with comparable regularity as in any other faith.  Furthermore, it seems to me that many modern polytheist revivalists copy the bad ideas of their monotheist counterparts and treat prayer as a substitute for personal consideration.  Basically, along with fanaticism in polytheism I see a large emphasis on quietism, or the renunciation of a personal will or critical faculties in the face of devotion.  Quietism seems to me as often the complimentary theological doctrines that go along with fanaticism, especially in mystical contexts.

    My take away is that revivalist polytheisms are no more immune to creating fanaticism than any other sort of religion, and that the bad ideas that correlate with fanaticism in general across tradition seem to be the mixing of magic and politics on the one hand and the doctrine of quietism.  As far as I can tell, the mixing of magic and politics and its polar opposite of quietism both tend to destroy the sense of proportion, with one cutting from the left and the other from the right on the same pillar of sanity.  Of course, it would then be I imagine a sense of proportion that would find the point of balance between extreme fanaticism, on one hand, and irreligion, on the other.  

    That said, those are my very human reflections on this and I do not pretend to be any sort of final authority.  I'm curious what others might think on the question of modern polytheism and fanaticism as well as the balance points of sane religious practice, as well.
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    [personal profile] causticus2022-02-20 11:26 am

    On Sacred Texts in Polytheism

    The following is from one of Galina Krasskova's blog posts. I found this quite insightful on how to interpret polytheist myths and how to avoid the pitfalls of both literal reading and trying to extract concrete morality from these texts.

    When reading a sacred text, there are numerous ways that one can approach the text: literally, allegorically, anagogically, tropologically. I would add onto that mystically. What does all that mean? Well, while we don’t have something holding the authority of “scripture” in the way that the bible might be positioned for Jews and Christians, we have texts that are maps to the holy. Not holy in themselves, they provide keys, windows, and doorways to Mystery. Mysteries seem to be wellsprings of unending depth and we can return to a story again and again finding new meaning, new ways to construct our world, new insights into our Gods, our cosmology, and our devotion. That’s why these stories are so powerful. That’s why any religious text is so powerful: it teaches us how to navigate our world.

    One can read a text literally, taking everything as a literal, even historical account (I don’t recommend this. It flattens out the texts, the religion, and the mysteries therein and often leads to very black and white morality). In an allegorical interpretation, we look for hidden meanings, for mystery. Likewise with a mystical interpretation, we filter our understanding of a particular story through the lens of the God we are venerating. Anagogical interpretations tend to utilize a text to refer to or interpret future events (often there is a sense of foreboding, foreseeing, prophesy, or eschatology here). A tropological reading looks for the lesson, the moral of the text and seeks to apply that to our current behavior. I tend to be hesitant about indulging in this type of reading too much with polytheistic texts because religion – however much devotion may have shaped our ancestors’ morality—was not the proper locus of morality and virtue development for ancient polytheists, not generally. Rather, they would have looked to philosophy, to their culture, their family, civic awareness, and their laws and customs for this. At least, they didn’t enshrine a moral code into their cosmological stories in the way that the Bible seeks to do (and really, either one is ok but it’s important to realize the work that these texts are doing within the religious communities that use them. We have a lot of converts still who may instinctively want the lore to do the work that the bible does, but, at least where morality is concerned, it just doesn’t and was never meant to do so).

    I think that second bolded passage is crucial. Old polytheist societies derived their morality from philosophy and their tribal/national customs, not directly from their myths and other sacred texts. 1500+ years of monotheism and ideologies derived from that paradigm has trained us collectively to read a sacred text as a law code. It will take much work to wean ourselves out of these old habits.
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    [personal profile] jprussell2022-02-19 06:12 pm

    Day of the Week Practices?

    Hi All,

    I'm not sure if I'm following the etiquette of this board (or if we've established it yet!), but I thought I'd post something that seems to be in the spirit. [personal profile] causticus, let me know if this doesn't work, and I can remove it.

    Anyhow, I thought I'd ask what folks do (if anything) to mark the different days of the week.

    To give an idea of the kind of thing I mean, here's what I do, which I've pretty much pieced together on my own, so I'd welcome any critique or feedback, especially if I'm doing anything that strikes anyone as a major no-no:

    As part of my daily prayer, on each day of the week, I light a candle to the God whose day it is and say a poem/prayer to that God (in my case, taken from Viking Poetry for Heathen Rites by Eirik Westcoat). I also light incense to "all the Gods and Goddesses", but themed by which day it is. The only exception is Saturday, since I don't worship Saturn, I've instead substituted Idun (which in some ways is the opposite of the God of old age and limitations, but it somehow felt right).

    All candles below are "spell" or "chime" candles, and all incense is stick incense from "Essential Essences". Names for Gods/Goddesses are given as "Anglo-Saxon/Norse Equivalent"

    Here's what I do day-by-day:

    • Monday: Poem-Prayer to: Mone/Mani (The Moon), Color Candle Lit: White, Incense Burnt: Palo Santo

    • Tuesday: Poem-Prayer to: Tiw/Tyr, Color Candle Lit: Dark Blue, Incense Burnt: "Energy"

    • Wednesday: Poem-Prayer to: Woden/Odhinn, Color Candle Lit: Black, Incense Burnt: Frankincense & Myrrh

    • Thursday: Poem-Prayer to: Thunor/Thor, Color Candle Lit: Red, Incense Burnt: "Dragon's Blood"

    • Friday: Poem-Prayer to: Frige/Freyja, Color Candle Lit: Pink, Incense Burnt: "Amber Flame"

    • Saturday: Poem-Prayer to: Idun/Idhunn, Color Candle Lit: Dark Green, Incense Burnt: "Mystic Forest"

    • Sunday: Poem-Prayer to: Sonne/Sunna, Color Candle Lit: Yellow, Incense Burnt: Sacred Cedar & Lavender



    I look forward to hearing what y'all have to say!
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    [personal profile] causticus2022-02-15 09:57 am

    SOP for various Pantheons

    I seem to recall this requested in a past MM or too. And I do think it might have been shared around, with JMG's blessing. But I can't remember which thread exactly, so I'm going to post here a list of different Sphere of Protection configurations for different Pantheons.

    Of course these are just suggestions. I know many people will tweak/customize these to their own liking. Please share yours in the comments if you like.

    Anyway, the suggestions from The Way of the Golden Section are as follows, behind the cut:

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    [personal profile] causticus2022-02-14 04:29 pm
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    Welcome!

    Welcome to the "Sane Polytheism" community! This shall be the inaugural post. This is an open post and thus feel free to talk about anything related to polytheism and spiritual knowledge and practices.

    Once we get a good discussion going then there will be a general mission statement type of post. Again, welcome!

    The standard posting rules from Magic Monday/Ecosophia apply; that is, no profanity, and no sales pitches or shilling for some cause or agenda.